3Peatkb24 wrote:lakerevolution wrote:Honestly, LeBron needs to be ahead of Shaq at this point. Stats, awards, consecutive Finals appearances, consistentcy and all-around skill set. He's a better athlete than Timmy too. Folks will be trying to put him in the Top 5 when his career is over.
I would like to see him win 1 more Championship before I do that. If he can somehow beat the Warriors than I agree 100%. It's not all about Championships but I also look at the long stable career Duncan had and he is regarded as the Greatest PF ever with 5 Championships. Shaq won 3 Finals MVP's in a row which nobody will ever do again IMO. Those things are hard to overlook and he has won 4 Championships. LeBron has the same amount of Championships as Larry Bird has = 3 and has only 1 more League MVP.
-When I look at players like Durant and Curry, if they keep winning Championships and piling up the Stats they will have to be moved into the Top 20 IMO, as of now they are not yet IMO. I mean Top 5 is real Elite shit, I flip flop with Kobe and Russell all the time. I deserve 1 flip flop in my list lifetime and that is it Do I think Bill Russell was a better Basketball player than Kobe Bryant? - probably not. But I think he had more impact on the game for his time and nobody will ever win 11 Championships again being an Alpha Dog, not even close. As great as Jordan was he only won 6 and had the REFS in his back pocket for a decade
lakerevolution wrote:3Peatkb24 wrote:lakerevolution wrote:Honestly, LeBron needs to be ahead of Shaq at this point. Stats, awards, consecutive Finals appearances, consistentcy and all-around skill set. He's a better athlete than Timmy too. Folks will be trying to put him in the Top 5 when his career is over.
I would like to see him win 1 more Championship before I do that. If he can somehow beat the Warriors than I agree 100%. It's not all about Championships but I also look at the long stable career Duncan had and he is regarded as the Greatest PF ever with 5 Championships. Shaq won 3 Finals MVP's in a row which nobody will ever do again IMO. Those things are hard to overlook and he has won 4 Championships. LeBron has the same amount of Championships as Larry Bird has = 3 and has only 1 more League MVP.
-When I look at players like Durant and Curry, if they keep winning Championships and piling up the Stats they will have to be moved into the Top 20 IMO, as of now they are not yet IMO. I mean Top 5 is real Elite shit, I flip flop with Kobe and Russell all the time. I deserve 1 flip flop in my list lifetime and that is it Do I think Bill Russell was a better Basketball player than Kobe Bryant? - probably not. But I think he had more impact on the game for his time and nobody will ever win 11 Championships again being an Alpha Dog, not even close. As great as Jordan was he only won 6 and had the REFS in his back pocket for a decade
3Peat!!! I had to re-quote your whole comment because:
1) LeBron ALREADY BEAT THE WARRIORS!! Coming from down 1-3 in the Finals which had NEVER BEEN DONE!!! Against the greatest regular season team EVER at 73-9!!! Yes he had the great Kyrie Irving and an out-of-body performance by Tristan Thompson, but LeBron has always been the Alpha in Cleveland. That comeback was epic and Warrior "fans" will never be able to live that down. They fucked up their threepeat by letting Cleveland win three straight. Curry bitched up and LeBron did his best Kobe impression.
2) Tim Duncan's PF/C roles - and championships - came when paired with some HOF guards and shooters and he rarely got past Kobe and Shaq's Lakers. And he was as good at the FT line as Dwight . In fact I'd take Bird over Timmy St. Croix. Another thing: LeBron has had a much more stable and consistent career than Tim Duncan, no question. And you know me -- fuck Shaq. Dude was over 7ft tall and weighed 300 pounds. He's supposed to be dominant. He was at his best when he was lean, versatile and multi-skilled for his size like Jordan, Kobe and LeBron but unlike all those dedicated, focused players, Shaq fell in love with his fame and hype and got lazy.
3) How can you say that Puke Russell was the Alpha Dog and had no refs in his pocket on Red Auerbach's super-stacked 1960s Boston team when Mike 23 had to pay his dues vs. the BAD BOYS and Bird's dirty Celtics while getting hacked before he earned the Jordan Rules? And Jordan ONLY WON SIX?? C'mon man, Jordan's NBA was/is much deeper, more competitive and more complex than Russell's could dream to be. 6 titles and 6 MVPs in the 90s is worth 20 in the 60s. Phil Jackson would have out-coached Red by a country mile if they went head-to-head. Bill Russell would have had his hands full with Bill Cartwright, Horace Grant AND Luc Longley if extrapolated and adjusted for time and complexity. Hell, Scottie Pippen and Toni Kukoc would have given Russell fits. You have to understand that Russell wasn't playing against any real competition in those days, nor was he forced to win 16 games for a title.
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KobeMVP888 wrote:
Is JC miserable already?
KobeMVP888 wrote:
Is JC miserable already?
lakerevolution wrote:KobeMVP888 wrote:
Is JC miserable already?
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