The Lakers Discussion Thread

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Postby 3Peatkb24 » Sun Apr 22, 2018 10:08 am

I am not the smartest when it comes to the Salary Cap because It's inconsistent. Teams go over it all the time and just pay the Luxury Tax. Teams like the Cavs and Warriors are way over the Cap. So when it comes to who we can afford or re-sign, etc. who really knows :confused:. It's confusing to me how we couldn't just re-sign Randle and KCP + sign Paul George since Magic cleared a bunch of Cap space too but the Cavs have LeBron, (hadKyrie), Love, JR, and Thompson all signed to gigantic contracts and are still way over the Cap without Kyrie today. So I am done trying to figure it out.
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Re: The Lakers Discussion Thread

Postby lakerevolution » Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:12 pm

3Peatkb24 wrote:I am not the smartest when it comes to the Salary Cap because It's inconsistent. Teams go over it all the time and just pay the Luxury Tax. Teams like the Cavs and Warriors are way over the Cap. So when it comes to who we can afford or re-sign, etc. who really knows :confused:. It's confusing to me how we couldn't just re-sign Randle and KCP + sign Paul George since Magic cleared a bunch of Cap space too but the Cavs have LeBron, (hadKyrie), Love, JR, and Thompson all signed to gigantic contracts and are still way over the Cap without Kyrie today. So I am done trying to figure it out.


If it's a franchise that has thrived on overspending, it's the Buss Family. I think the sourness of the CBA and the punitive realities really forced Jeannie to say, "Ok, let's get solvent and rebuild our assets in the post-Kobe/Pau era." Deng, Mozgov, Mitch and Jim notwithstanding, we are in a great place with a fierce young coach, a core of great talent, and prospects up the wazoo :danc3: if we cash out, max out, etc. we can do so knowing it's all for our future as NBA champs :beavis:
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Re: The Lakers Discussion Thread

Postby lakerevolution » Wed Apr 25, 2018 4:54 pm

So -- if we stretch Deng and let Randle go, we could have around $70 million in cap space -- enough to sign those two guys who we don't even need to name.

Plan B?

The second half belonged to Randle. In March, he averaged 22.3 points and 9.9 rebounds per game while the team was mired in injuries. That is who Randle is and will continue to be moving forward, a 20-10 player who wills himself towards production at the rim -- you don't throw a few years of development out the door just to see a team like the Mavericks reap the rewards. Pay him now and celebrate later.


Ah, Isaiah Thomas. What are we going to do with you?

Seriously. There is absolutely no certainty in the building as it pertains to a player who was revered just a year ago. Ongoing hip issues and a recent surgery means a player who would have assuredly demanded max money may very well settle for a one-year deal for a sizable discount—something south of $10 million. He's young enough to afford spending one more season proving to potential trade-deadline destinations that a) he's a team player and b) that he's healthy enough to be reconsidered as a starter and a bonafide star in the league. Will he accept a bench role, though? Does he have a choice at this point?

It will be hard to wiggle KCP into the mix if the Lakers land a major free agent. The Pistons reportedly offered him $80 million over five years last summer while the Lakers sealed the deal on a one-year contract for $18 million. He's a great fit on this team and shot over 42% from 3 -- something the Lakers definitely need. He'll likely want a multi-year contract, however -- which may not be possible if those max-level all-stars are brought in.

DeMarcus Cousins, Jabari Parker and Nerlens Noel are names that have been linked to the Lakers as well, but there are both up- and down-sides to all those possibilities. Hanging onto Randle and taking advantage of his growth seems to be the best bet for now.

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Re: The Lakers Discussion Thread

Postby lakerevolution » Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:38 am

Salary Cap expert Larry Coon gives an interesting breakdown of the Lakers' possible moves and priorities this summer:

www.spectrumsportsnet.com/lakers/videos ... -breakdown
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Re: The Lakers Discussion Thread

Postby 3Peatkb24 » Thu May 03, 2018 8:42 pm

Ok I will bite. Is it worth bringing in LeBron James for 3 years? He will be 34 this season and realistically has 2 Great years left. You guys do realize if we bring him in our system has to change. He needs the ball in his hands a lot, so that will hamper Lonzo. I guess if LeBron can pull a Peyton Manning where Peyton brought his system to Denver and they won a Championship, it may be worth it.
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Re: The Lakers Discussion Thread

Postby lakerevolution » Fri May 04, 2018 1:27 am

3Peatkb24 wrote:Ok I will bite. Is it worth bringing in LeBron James for 3 years? He will be 34 this season and realistically has 2 Great years left. You guys do realize if we bring him in our system has to change. He needs the ball in his hands a lot, so that will hamper Lonzo. I guess if LeBron can pull a Peyton Manning where Peyton brought his system to Denver and they won a Championship, it may be worth it.


Your post answered its own question. LeBron would be like GP/Mailman, kinda. CP3/Dwight/Nash. No titles, just a few extra wins. Playoffs, yeah ok. But it's a shortsighted pipe dream that only gets life from desperate, entitled Laker fans who want Figueroa parades and the glory of yesteryear that will never come back. Lemme give y'all some pimp game: IT'S NOT ABOUT THE GLORY, IT'S ABOUT THE STORY!

It's us vs. the Celtics, and they have a huuuuuge head start. They don't even have a center, just fast accurate athletes. The NBA is completely different from what we grew up on, and I hope our front office understands that.
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Re: The Lakers Discussion Thread

Postby KobeMVP888 » Fri May 04, 2018 7:07 am

lakerevolution wrote:
3Peatkb24 wrote:It's us vs. the Celtics, and they have a huuuuuge head start. They don't even have a center, just fast accurate athletes. The NBA is completely different from what we grew up on, and I hope our front office understands that.


That's right. When we were still fucking around with Kobe and depleted our assets, they traded their stars, gathered assets, signed a smart young coach to install a system and rebuilt, so it's about a 3 year head start. Our blueprint more resembles the Warriors in the sense that we didn't cash in our stars, although an attempt was made and rescinded. That led to this delay, but we'll be fine. I just hope we stick with the young core and not do anything too radical.
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Re: The Lakers Discussion Thread

Postby 3Peatkb24 » Fri May 04, 2018 4:32 pm

Well I said I would bite but it doesn't mean I want LeBron. Just wanted to throw it out there. I have been on the re-signing Randle bandwagon and brining in PG who is much younger than LeBron. PG has his flaws but is still a Top 15 player in the League. I would consider him a SuperStar, he isn't a Top 10 player but he would be our best player if he came to LA. He doesn't need the ball in his hands to be good either which is great for Lonzo. Lonzo will do all the playmaking with a guy like PG. I envision a Starting lineup of:
Lonzo
Ingram
PG
Kuzma
Randle
-Randle can play Center and Kuzma can be a Great PF. It looks like small ball but our Guards are tall with Ingram at SG at 6'9 and PG is 6'9 too at SF. Kuzma can even spread the floor hitting 3's at the PF spot. Our Defense would be better as well with PG.

-PG would be our oldest player and he's only 28 - he just turned 28 2 days ago. He is healthy and has had no issues with his leg since he came back in 2016. That starting 5 is young and could play together for 5 years easily. As another sleeper in Free Agency I would go after Redick. He is older but healthy and he's just a shooter. He can play at least 3 more years IMO and not lose a beat. Imagine having basically the best 3 point shooter in the league coming off our bench? If he and PG signs that would be an exceptional Free Agency for us + bringing back Randle. Redick loves the city of LA and was a Clipper for a while so just throwing that out there. The weather in LA is much better than it is in Philly.
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Re: The Lakers Discussion Thread

Postby KobeMVP888 » Sat May 05, 2018 5:57 pm

3Peatkb24 wrote:Well I said I would bite but it doesn't mean I want LeBron. Just wanted to throw it out there. I have been on the re-signing Randle bandwagon and brining in PG who is much younger than LeBron. PG has his flaws but is still a Top 15 player in the League. I would consider him a SuperStar, he isn't a Top 10 player but he would be our best player if he came to LA. He doesn't need the ball in his hands to be good either which is great for Lonzo. Lonzo will do all the playmaking with a guy like PG. I envision a Starting lineup of:
Lonzo
Ingram
PG
Kuzma
Randle
-Randle can play Center and Kuzma can be a Great PF. It looks like small ball but our Guards are tall with Ingram at SG at 6'9 and PG is 6'9 too at SF. Kuzma can even spread the floor hitting 3's at the PF spot. Our Defense would be better as well with PG.

-PG would be our oldest player and he's only 28 - he just turned 28 2 days ago. He is healthy and has had no issues with his leg since he came back in 2016. That starting 5 is young and could play together for 5 years easily. As another sleeper in Free Agency I would go after Redick. He is older but healthy and he's just a shooter. He can play at least 3 more years IMO and not lose a beat. Imagine having basically the best 3 point shooter in the league coming off our bench? If he and PG signs that would be an exceptional Free Agency for us + bringing back Randle. Redick loves the city of LA and was a Clipper for a while so just throwing that out there. The weather in LA is much better than it is in Philly.


I agree for a few reasons. As much as I refuse to be convinced that this won't be a big man's game some day, right now the ability to switch on defense is more important than protecting the rim and most rim protectors can't switch well and are subpar defensively on the screen and roll or pick and pop. The beauty of Randle is that he's one of the NBA's best on switching, but he is also dominant in the paint on offense. So yes, I hope Rob/Magic/Luke have made this observation, too. I think Luke did. his praise of Randle was effusive.

More important, I hope Paul George sees his seamless fit. He's really just KCP at another level on both offense and defense, albeit similar players, and he was on the floor the last two times we played the Thunder this season, both Lakers victories. I maintain either he has balls to say what he wanted to do and sign with the Lakers or that he's a fuckin' pussy. If it's the former I want him. If it's the latter, I have no use for him because anyone with eyeballs can see that the Lakers are a better situation and fit for him. Then again, he could go ring chasing elsewhere.
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Re: The Lakers Discussion Thread

Postby 3Peatkb24 » Sun May 06, 2018 1:36 am

KobeMVP888 wrote:
3Peatkb24 wrote:Well I said I would bite but it doesn't mean I want LeBron. Just wanted to throw it out there. I have been on the re-signing Randle bandwagon and brining in PG who is much younger than LeBron. PG has his flaws but is still a Top 15 player in the League. I would consider him a SuperStar, he isn't a Top 10 player but he would be our best player if he came to LA. He doesn't need the ball in his hands to be good either which is great for Lonzo. Lonzo will do all the playmaking with a guy like PG. I envision a Starting lineup of:
Lonzo
Ingram
PG
Kuzma
Randle
-Randle can play Center and Kuzma can be a Great PF. It looks like small ball but our Guards are tall with Ingram at SG at 6'9 and PG is 6'9 too at SF. Kuzma can even spread the floor hitting 3's at the PF spot. Our Defense would be better as well with PG.

-PG would be our oldest player and he's only 28 - he just turned 28 2 days ago. He is healthy and has had no issues with his leg since he came back in 2016. That starting 5 is young and could play together for 5 years easily. As another sleeper in Free Agency I would go after Redick. He is older but healthy and he's just a shooter. He can play at least 3 more years IMO and not lose a beat. Imagine having basically the best 3 point shooter in the league coming off our bench? If he and PG signs that would be an exceptional Free Agency for us + bringing back Randle. Redick loves the city of LA and was a Clipper for a while so just throwing that out there. The weather in LA is much better than it is in Philly.


I agree for a few reasons. As much as I refuse to be convinced that this won't be a big man's game some day, right now the ability to switch on defense is more important than protecting the rim and most rim protectors can't switch well and are subpar defensively on the screen and roll or pick and pop. The beauty of Randle is that he's one of the NBA's best on switching, but he is also dominant in the paint on offense. So yes, I hope Rob/Magic/Luke have made this observation, too. I think Luke did. his praise of Randle was effusive.

More important, I hope Paul George sees his seamless fit. He's really just KCP at another level on both offense and defense, albeit similar players, and he was on the floor the last two times we played the Thunder this season, both Lakers victories. I maintain either he has balls to say what he wanted to do and sign with the Lakers or that he's a fuckin' pussy. If it's the former I want him. If it's the latter, I have no use for him because anyone with eyeballs can see that the Lakers are a better situation and fit for him. Then again, he could go ring chasing elsewhere.


I agree 100%. We really wouldn't have a Rim Protector with the lineup I suggested but our Perimeter Defense would be great and lengthy with PG, Ingram, and Lonzo. Randle although not a 7'0 footer is very physical though and can handle the middle IMO.
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Re: The Lakers Discussion Thread

Postby lakerevolution » Sun May 06, 2018 7:37 am

The question is -- who do we get in addition to PG? He's not the end-all be-all, just a young veteran who can help take our youngsters to another level. We still need 1) improved play from Lonzo, Ingram and whoever else we retain (Brook, IT, Zubac, Hart, etc.) and perhaps an upgrade at center . . unless Brook somehow takes his game to '09 Pau levels. Can simply the addition of PG serve to elevate the squad we already have? Will our FO be content to re-sign Randle, stretch Deng and bring on one max player, then let Luke push them to 40+ wins and prepare for next summer's crop of FAs? I wouldn't mind that, as I am more interested in seeing our young stars gel and improve together as opposed to adding outside pieces that will compromise their natural growth curve.
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Re: The Lakers Discussion Thread

Postby 3Peatkb24 » Sun May 06, 2018 7:49 am

lakerevolution wrote:The question is -- who do we get in addition to PG? He's not the end-all be-all, just a young veteran who can help take our youngsters to another level. We still need 1) improved play from Lonzo, Ingram and whoever else we retain (Brook, IT, Zubac, Hart, etc.) and perhaps an upgrade at center . . unless Brook somehow takes his game to '09 Pau levels. Can simply the addition of PG serve to elevate the squad we already have? Will our FO be content to re-sign Randle, stretch Deng and bring on one max player, then let Luke push them to 40+ wins and prepare for next summer's crop of FAs? I wouldn't mind that, as I am more interested in seeing our young stars gel and improve together as opposed to adding outside pieces that will compromise their natural growth curve.


Bringing back Lopez may not be a bad idea but we will/can only do so much in 1 year. Re-signing Randle and Signing PG will take a chunk out of the Salary Cap right? I have suggested a player like JJ Redick as well. Oddly enough he has been the Sixers 2nd leading scoring in their series with Boston and is arguably the best 3 point shooter in the league.
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Re: The Lakers Discussion Thread

Postby lakerevolution » Sun May 06, 2018 10:18 am

3Peatkb24 wrote:
lakerevolution wrote:The question is -- who do we get in addition to PG? He's not the end-all be-all, just a young veteran who can help take our youngsters to another level. We still need 1) improved play from Lonzo, Ingram and whoever else we retain (Brook, IT, Zubac, Hart, etc.) and perhaps an upgrade at center . . unless Brook somehow takes his game to '09 Pau levels. Can simply the addition of PG serve to elevate the squad we already have? Will our FO be content to re-sign Randle, stretch Deng and bring on one max player, then let Luke push them to 40+ wins and prepare for next summer's crop of FAs? I wouldn't mind that, as I am more interested in seeing our young stars gel and improve together as opposed to adding outside pieces that will compromise their natural growth curve.


Bringing back Lopez may not be a bad idea but we will/can only do so much in 1 year. Re-signing Randle and Signing PG will take a chunk out of the Salary Cap right? I have suggested a player like JJ Redick as well. Oddly enough he has been the Sixers 2nd leading scoring in their series with Boston and is arguably the best 3 point shooter in the league.


Not sure about the Reddick move - unless he just likes the idea of playing for a team full of youngsters that may not even make the playoffs :imok: . We can sign PG and Randle and still have money left to bring in a couple bench specialists (shooters, big wings, defensive guys). We can even create more cap space for next summer, which I'm pretty sure Magic and Rob will try to do. No home-run-type moves ala Malone/Payton or Dwight/Nash anymore - this thing has to be cultivated in order to build a solid team that will be perennial playoff competitors. Once the kids get that fire in them and start winning more games, I think everything will take care of itself. Like an upcoming Marvel movie, I can't wait to see what happens!! I'm hoping our front office has some exciting plans because I know Magic wants to bring back Showtime!!
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Re: The Lakers Discussion Thread

Postby 3Peatkb24 » Sun May 06, 2018 2:43 pm

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3Peatkb24 wrote:
lakerevolution wrote:The question is -- who do we get in addition to PG? He's not the end-all be-all, just a young veteran who can help take our youngsters to another level. We still need 1) improved play from Lonzo, Ingram and whoever else we retain (Brook, IT, Zubac, Hart, etc.) and perhaps an upgrade at center . . unless Brook somehow takes his game to '09 Pau levels. Can simply the addition of PG serve to elevate the squad we already have? Will our FO be content to re-sign Randle, stretch Deng and bring on one max player, then let Luke push them to 40+ wins and prepare for next summer's crop of FAs? I wouldn't mind that, as I am more interested in seeing our young stars gel and improve together as opposed to adding outside pieces that will compromise their natural growth curve.


Bringing back Lopez may not be a bad idea but we will/can only do so much in 1 year. Re-signing Randle and Signing PG will take a chunk out of the Salary Cap right? I have suggested a player like JJ Redick as well. Oddly enough he has been the Sixers 2nd leading scoring in their series with Boston and is arguably the best 3 point shooter in the league.


Not sure about the Reddick move - unless he just likes the idea of playing for a team full of youngsters that may not even make the playoffs :imok: . We can sign PG and Randle and still have money left to bring in a couple bench specialists (shooters, big wings, defensive guys). We can even create more cap space for next summer, which I'm pretty sure Magic and Rob will try to do. No home-run-type moves ala Malone/Payton or Dwight/Nash anymore - this thing has to be cultivated in order to build a solid team that will be perennial playoff competitors. Once the kids get that fire in them and start winning more games, I think everything will take care of itself. Like an upcoming Marvel movie, I can't wait to see what happens!! I'm hoping our front office has some exciting plans because I know Magic wants to bring back Showtime!!


Redick would be a hell of a weapon off the bench but I would be fine with either KCP or IT back if IT is 100%.
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Re: The Lakers Discussion Thread

Postby KobeMVP888 » Sun May 06, 2018 2:52 pm

lakerevolution wrote:The question is -- who do we get in addition to PG? He's not the end-all be-all, just a young veteran who can help take our youngsters to another level. We still need 1) improved play from Lonzo, Ingram and whoever else we retain (Brook, IT, Zubac, Hart, etc.) and perhaps an upgrade at center . . unless Brook somehow takes his game to '09 Pau levels. Can simply the addition of PG serve to elevate the squad we already have? Will our FO be content to re-sign Randle, stretch Deng and bring on one max player, then let Luke push them to 40+ wins and prepare for next summer's crop of FAs? I wouldn't mind that, as I am more interested in seeing our young stars gel and improve together as opposed to adding outside pieces that will compromise their natural growth curve.


I will be perfectly content if the Lakers re-sign Randle, sign PG and sign some fillers to one year deals to leave cap space for another max FA in 2019. That's a playoff team, Rev.

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