KobeMVP888 wrote:No player I have seen live stands out head and shoulders above the rest like Kobe Bryant. Even when he had off games, it was very clear that he was the most talented player on the court. Is "talented" the equivalent of "best"? Certainly not in every instance, but in this instance, because we got the "best" of Kobe night in and night out, he was the "best" I have ever seen play live.
tate793 wrote:Nobody has done what Kobe has done. Nobody has the charisma or love of the fans that Kobe does. Michael had the personality of a box of corn flakes. Nobody scored 81 pts (other than Wilt, whom you never saw or list). Nobody scored 60 pts in his final game (Michael scored 15). Nobody played 20 years for the same team. Kobe is the GOAT. What really absurd is that you place pigeon poop right behind Kobe. That's laughable. But, that's a closed subject for me. So, no, not any of the four can have an argument made for being the best. No matter what cockamamie criteria you try to twist to put them ahead of Kobe. Only reason you pick Jordan is because Indiana is closer to Chicago than LA. Only reason you pick Kareem is because Milwaukee is closer to Indiana. The only reason you pick Magic is because Michigan is closer to Indiana and because he made a basket ball career outta kicking your hero's ass on the court.
Kobe is the GOAT and don't you forget it!
3Peatkb24 wrote:My list of Greatest players I have seen live, basically since I can remember (1977 to now is factored in = 40 seasons of Basketball as of May 9th, 2016). I base it on - Eye test, Stats, Overall games won by a player, Playoff games won, Rings won by a player and how important that player was to winning those rings, League MVP's won by a player, Finals MVP's won by a player, A players clutch play, A players athleticism, A players basketball IQ, What era the player played in, A players longevity, A players leadership, and How dominant a player has been at his position. I am a little biased toward players that played in the 80's I admit but to me that was the best decade of basketball that I have witnessed. My SWEET 16 list:
1. Michael Jordan
2. Magic Johnson
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Kobe Bryant - his 4th place status is secure even if Tim wins #6. Tim is now a minimal Role Player.
5. Larry Bird
6. Tim Duncan
7. Shaq O'Neal
8. LeBron James
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Moses Malone
11. Karl Malone
12. Julius Erving 'DOC'
13. Isiah Thomas
14. Dwyane Wade
15. Charles Barkley
16. Dirk Nowitzki
-Tate, I have Bird higher than Duncan because to me he played in a much tougher era. He would have 5 Rings had he not played against Magic's Lakers. I know all-time statistically Bird doesn't measure up to Duncan or LeBron before you blast my list but you have to factor in every component I listed above and Bird even still has more Rings regarding LeBron 3-2. If LeBron can lead the Cavs to a Title beating the Warriors or Spurs I will put him 5th over Bird, Duncan, and Shaq because that will show me he can win without Wade and he is the best player on his team obviously so his value to his team winning is very high if they win it all. Tate you will win your debate then, I'll say he is better than Bird if that happens.
*I will also add by the Eye test, Steph Curry and Kevin Durant are Hall of Fame players already!
-I had a list like this similar on our old Site and Craig said it was my best work. I just revamped it up a bit and updated everything! I want to see what LeBron does moving forward, his legacy is about winning one for the Land, we will see??
tate793 wrote:3Peatkb24 wrote:tate793 wrote:Nobody has done what Kobe has done. Nobody has the charisma or love of the fans that Kobe does. Michael had the personality of a box of corn flakes. Nobody scored 81 pts (other than Wilt, whom you never saw or list). Nobody scored 60 pts in his final game (Michael scored 15). Nobody played 20 years for the same team. Kobe is the GOAT. What really absurd is that you place pigeon poop right behind Kobe. That's laughable. But, that's a closed subject for me. So, no, not any of the four can have an argument made for being the best. No matter what cockamamie criteria you try to twist to put them ahead of Kobe. Only reason you pick Jordan is because Indiana is closer to Chicago than LA. Only reason you pick Kareem is because Milwaukee is closer to Indiana. The only reason you pick Magic is because Michigan is closer to Indiana and because he made a basket ball career outta kicking your hero's ass on the court.
Kobe is the GOAT and don't you forget it!
This might be your funniest Post yet. At least I LOL. I don't have much to add really as we have both said our part. I have my list and you have yours. This list is just a list from the players I have seen live, basically when I first started watching so that is why Wilt isn't on it or Russell, Big-O, West, or Elgin. I would like to know how you can rank Kobe over Kareem though? In what criteria is he better than Kareem? Kareem has more Rings 6-5, MVP's 6-1, same amount of Finals MVP's 2-2, more Points, more Rebounds, shot a much higher %, and had the same longevity. Going by the eye test he was just as dominant as Kobe as well. He didn't score 81 in a game but he was unstoppable inside his entire career. The Skyhook is the most unstoppable shot in the history of the game. I know Wilt blocked it a couple of times, a couple of times out of 1000's of attempts it got blocked LOL. Kareem destroyed every Center he ever faced 99% of the time.[/qu1 ote]
Simple - personality, likability, charisma, fan favorite, approachable - and that's just off the court. As for on the court, Kobe carried the team for a good portion of his career. He didn't have a great PG feeding him the ball. That's why he and the Mailman are #1 and #2 on the all time scoring list. Oscar, Magic and Stockton. Kobe had DFish, and a bunch of shit for a PG. Clutch, late game and big game performance. Kareem played with 2 superstar (Magic and Worthy) Kobe had Shaq for a 3 peat and a couple good years from gasol. Kobe hit game winner after game winner. Again, no more lists and player comparisons for me.
tate793 wrote:But Magic never played on a shit team like we've had the last few seasons. Whatever, 3 Peat. Google your people and get your 100's of people who agree with you and list it anyway you want. Kenny just told you , Nuggs too, who the best Laker was. Believe whatever you want.
tate793 wrote:Yep. You're the minority. Podunk.
tate793 wrote:Don't be so sure they will even play eachother. DeRozan, Lowry and Valascunas will not go quietly into the night. Wade is a punk for breaking Kobe's nose during a freakin' All Star Game. What a chump. That's why Lebron left his sorry ass in Miami and went back to Cleveland. I'm sure your mother knows more about basketball than you do, but, the wrong answer. Kobe's the best there ever was and ever will be.
tate793 wrote:Come on Forest, wake up! I need to knock your knickers some more. Podunk. You probly ain't sleep. Just hiding in the bathroom doing shots and looking at National Geograpic magazines.
3Peatkb24 wrote:tate793 wrote:Come on Forest, wake up! I need to knock your knickers some more. Podunk. You probly ain't sleep. Just hiding in the bathroom doing shots and looking at National Geograpic magazines.
More like Hustler Magazine but National Geographic will do!
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