Comparing era's talk, 3Peat's Greatest players

Comparing era's talk, 3Peat's Greatest players

Postby 3Peatkb24 » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:43 pm

I actually went over to Tom's for the 1st time in a long while and was reading some Posts. The great Tate Posted some video regarding Wilt and than a debate broke out on how great Wilt would be in this era? It's really impossible to compare era's because play back in the 50's and 60's was much different than play in the 80's/90's/and now since 2000. I think Rev said it best, when he basically said I should just do my list's from the 1977 Season and on because that is when the ABA/NBA merged. The NBA then had all the best athlete's and 7 footers combined into 1 league. Best way to probably say who the best players are is to break it down from 1947-1976, and 1977 through the present.

IMO the Top 8 players from the 1947 Season when Basketball started through the 1976 Season were:
1. Wilt Chamberlain - Yes he would be #1 on this list
2. Bill Russell
3. Oscar Robertson
4. Jerry West
5. John Havlicek
6. Elgin Baylor
7. George Mikan
8. Bob Cousy

From the 1977 Season- present I would say:
1. Michael Jordan
2. Magic Johnson
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Kobe Bryant
5. Tim Duncan
6. Shaq O'Neal
7. LeBron James
8. Larry Bird over Hakeem Olajuwon, Bird won more league mvp's and championships being the best player on his team.
-based on stats, overall games won, championships won, league mvp's won, finals mvp's won, clutch play by these players, dominance at their position, and eye test. Of course before 1977 I had no eye test but have seen film on the players from 1947-1976 and to me Wilt was #1 on that list. Kareem belongs in the 1977-present era, he won 5 Championships during that time and 2 of his League MVP's + 1 of his 2 Finals MVP's getting it against the Celtics in 1985! + He played 13 seasons in that era compared to 7 in the other. Kareem did win League MVP in 1977 right after the merge which is big.
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Re: Comparing era's talk, 3Peat's Greatest players

Postby 3Peatkb24 » Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:26 am

3Peatkb24 wrote:I actually went over to Tom's for the 1st time in a long while and was reading some Posts. The great Tate Posted some video regarding Wilt and than a debate broke out on how great Wilt would be in this era? It's really impossible to compare era's because play back in the 50's and 60's was much different than play in the 80's/90's/and now since 2000. I think Rev said it best, when he basically said I should just do my list's from the 1977 Season and on because that is when the ABA/NBA merged. The NBA then had all the best athlete's and 7 footers combined into 1 league. Best way to probably say who the best players are is to break it down from 1947-1976, and 1977 through the present.

IMO the Top 8 players from the 1947 Season when Basketball started through the 1976 Season were:
1. Wilt Chamberlain - Yes he would be #1 on this list
2. Bill Russell
3. Oscar Robertson
4. Jerry West
5. John Havlicek
6. Elgin Baylor
7. George Mikan
8. Bob Cousy

From the 1977 Season- present I would say:
1. Michael Jordan
2. Magic Johnson
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Kobe Bryant
5. Tim Duncan
6. Shaq O'Neal
7. LeBron James
8. Larry Bird over Hakeem Olajuwon, Bird won more league mvp's and championships being the best player on his team.
-based on stats, overall games won, championships won, league mvp's won, finals mvp's won, clutch play by these players, dominance at their position, and eye test. Of course before 1977 I had no eye test but have seen film on the players from 1947-1976 and to me Wilt was #1 on that list. Kareem belongs in the 1977-present era, he won 5 Championships during that time and 2 of his League MVP's + 1 of his 2 Finals MVP's getting it against the Celtics in 1985! + He played 13 seasons in that era compared to 7 in the other. Kareem did win League MVP in 1977 right after the merge which is big.


If I had to choose 1 guy from the ABA that was the best, that would've been Doctor J. He averaged 28.8 Points per game in his 5 seasons in that league and won 2 Championships and 2 Playoff MVP's. A true unreal talent! He was also named to the all-time ABA Team.
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Re: Comparing era's talk, 3Peat's Greatest players

Postby 3Peatkb24 » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:20 pm

3Peatkb24 wrote:I actually went over to Tom's for the 1st time in a long while and was reading some Posts. The great Tate Posted some video regarding Wilt and than a debate broke out on how great Wilt would be in this era? It's really impossible to compare era's because play back in the 50's and 60's was much different than play in the 80's/90's/and now since 2000. I think Rev said it best, when he basically said I should just do my list's from the 1977 Season and on because that is when the ABA/NBA merged. The NBA then had all the best athlete's and 7 footers combined into 1 league. Best way to probably say who the best players are is to break it down from 1947-1976, and 1977 through the present.

IMO the Top 8 players from the 1947 Season when Basketball started through the 1976 Season were:
1. Wilt Chamberlain - Yes he would be #1 on this list
2. Bill Russell
3. Oscar Robertson
4. Jerry West
5. John Havlicek
6. Elgin Baylor
7. George Mikan
8. Bob Cousy

From the 1977 Season- present I would say:
1. Michael Jordan
2. Magic Johnson
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Kobe Bryant
5. Tim Duncan
6. Shaq O'Neal
7. LeBron James
8. Larry Bird over Hakeem Olajuwon, Bird won more league mvp's and championships being the best player on his team.
-based on stats, overall games won, championships won, league mvp's won, finals mvp's won, clutch play by these players, dominance at their position, and eye test. Of course before 1977 I had no eye test but have seen film on the players from 1947-1976 and to me Wilt was #1 on that list. Kareem belongs in the 1977-present era, he won 5 Championships during that time and 2 of his League MVP's + 1 of his 2 Finals MVP's getting it against the Celtics in 1985! + He played 13 seasons in that era compared to 7 in the other. Kareem did win League MVP in 1977 right after the merge which is big.


Here's the real question, was Basketball better from 1947 through the 1976 Season or has it been better since the 1977 Season - Present. In a series who would win between:
Team A
PG Oscar Robertson
SG Jerry West
SF Elgin Baylor - Was a true SF
PF Bill Russell - I will put him here because Wilt is my Center
C Wilt Chamberlain

Main Bench players
John Havlicek - SG and played SF as well.
George Mikan - C, can play PF as well if need be
Bob Cousy - PG
-Coached by Red Auerbach

Team B
PG Magic Johnson
SG Michael Jordan
SF LeBron James
PF Tim Duncan
C Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

Main Bench players
Kobe Bryant - SG/SF, Kobe could even play a little PG if need be.
Shaq O'Neal - C
Larry Bird - SF, could play PF in a pinch because of his Rebounding
-Coached by Phil Jackson

I think the answer is obvious who would win here and I took the best 8 possible players Team A can have.
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Re: Comparing era's talk, 3Peat's Greatest players

Postby 3Peatkb24 » Sat Feb 18, 2017 4:31 pm

3Peatkb24 wrote:I actually went over to Tom's for the 1st time in a long while and was reading some Posts. The great Tate Posted some video regarding Wilt and than a debate broke out on how great Wilt would be in this era? It's really impossible to compare era's because play back in the 50's and 60's was much different than play in the 80's/90's/and now since 2000. I think Rev said it best, when he basically said I should just do my list's from the 1977 Season and on because that is when the ABA/NBA merged. The NBA then had all the best athlete's and 7 footers combined into 1 league. Best way to probably say who the best players are is to break it down from 1947-1976, and 1977 through the present.

IMO the Top 8 players from the 1947 Season when Basketball started through the 1976 Season were:
1. Wilt Chamberlain - Yes he would be #1 on this list
2. Bill Russell
3. Oscar Robertson
4. Jerry West
5. John Havlicek
6. Elgin Baylor
7. George Mikan
8. Bob Cousy

From the 1977 Season- present I would say:
1. Michael Jordan
2. Magic Johnson
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Kobe Bryant
5. Tim Duncan
6. Shaq O'Neal
7. LeBron James
8. Larry Bird over Hakeem Olajuwon, Bird won more league mvp's and championships being the best player on his team.
-based on stats, overall games won, championships won, league mvp's won, finals mvp's won, clutch play by these players, dominance at their position, and eye test. Of course before 1977 I had no eye test but have seen film on the players from 1947-1976 and to me Wilt was #1 on that list. Kareem belongs in the 1977-present era, he won 5 Championships during that time and 2 of his League MVP's + 1 of his 2 Finals MVP's getting it against the Celtics in 1985! + He played 13 seasons in that era compared to 7 in the other. Kareem did win League MVP in 1977 right after the merge which is big.


Nothing has still changed regarding my lists here which I broke down into 2 different times. It's interesting watching these young guys today. I cant see 1 player now that is even close to being better than any of the above players I mentioned from either time. LeBron is already on the list. Maybe Stephen Curry eventually? Kevin Durant hurt his legacy by leaving OKC IMO, Great talent but if the Warriors win it all and someone says he is now only Great because he has a Ring, that is BS. He should joining that team. I think LeBron's Championships were cheap in Miami but he won last season in Cleveland so that is very legit.
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